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  Watchtower published the SAME EVENT TWICE...wrong both times!!

  by Terry in

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  1873 [six thousand years of man's existence ends in a.d. 1873] {wr apr 1880 88}.

  1873 "here we furnish the evidence that from the creation of adam to a.d. 1873 was six thousand years.

  and though the bible contains no direct statement that the seventh thousand will be the epoch of christ's reign, the great sabbath day of restitution to the world, yet the venerable tradition is not without reasonable foundation.. if, then, the seventh thousand-year period of earth's history be an epoch specially noted as the period of christ's reign, we shall, by showing that it began in a.d. 1873, be proving that we are already in it.

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  1972 "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Watchtower] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." {WT Nov 1 1972 644}

  Once again, not a very logical argument.

  If, in 1976, the wtbs did not admit to making a mistake about the end in 1975, then they would have looked really really stupid ( instead of just stupid).

  There is a guy driving around in a van saying the end is coming on 21 may 2011.(see other threads)

  On the 22 May he will no doubt admit that he has made a mistake.

  By Watchtower logic, that makes him a true prophet.
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  What was your "aha" moment....

  by botchtowersociety in

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  ....that made you decide to leave the botchtower society?

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  I cant remember the exact title: something like JWs in the 20 Century?

  Anyway, whilst everone else was raving about how faith strengthening,

  I was thinking, so 100 years ago they were saying the end is iminent, and were often abused, persecuted, etc for their faith.

  And now they are all dead, and even their children are dead.

  And what about me in 100 years time? Is all that I'm sacrificing a waste of my time and life?

  I think so. So the only answer was to leave. Once the seed sown.........................
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  New light on NEW LIGHT

  by Terry in

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  2. bible

  well, it just sort of came to me while i was driving.. the doctrine of new light is a false analogy.. why had i not considered this before?.

  here is what i'm thinking; see if you don't agree.... jehovah's witnesses are divided into three distinct tiers of membership.. 1.governing body anointed.

  2.clueless anointed.

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  jean-luc picard

  Nice analogy Terry.

  That makes me think of Moses.

  If Moses had made so many mistakes when he went before Pharoah, Israel would still be in Egypt.

  When Gods prophets in the bible said something, they got it right first time and you'd better believe what they

  said or else.

  Making all those re-interpretations just gets God a bad name.
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  Earthquakes Earthquakes and more Earthquakes

  by sizemik in

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  for those who may be interested in things geological .

  just an update on seismic activity here in christchurch.

  what's below is the seismometer drum for the last 24 hrs .

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  jean-luc picard

  How do people live with the threat of earthquakes in areas prone to them?

  I cant imagine that they all want to become jdubs so as to be saved!

  Does the jdub message regarding earthquakes and the time of the end

  have the same or more impact with locals?
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  A Major Break Through!

  by headisspinning in

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  2. friends

  i just wanted to let you all know that i have had a major break through with my mom.. we have hashed everything out and she not only apologized for hurting us, but she also said she understands why we've made the decisions that we've made.. and best of all?

  she is going to try to help us both get our kids back.. she had no idea of all the stuff going on with our ex spouses and she's very upset about it.. she said that she accepts where we are at in regard to the religion and although she does hope we might change our minds down the road, she just wants us to be happy.. at this point she still feels she needs to respect the disfellowshipping arrangement and i'm not pressuring her about that.

  after all, rome wasn't built in a day and i would say major progress has been made here.. just wanted to let you guys know where things are at right now and a big thank you for all of your support, advice and care through this ordeal..

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  jean-luc picard

  This is good news headisspinning. And just what you need.

  Heres hoping things get better and better.

  I'm pleased for you both.

  jlp
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  New Way of Doing Field Service?

  by snowbird in

  1. watchtower
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  as i was driving to work this morning, i saw a familiar looking car a few yards ahead of me that kept making stops where people were standing alongside the roadway.. when i drove past the people, i noticed wt and awake!

  in their hands.. well, lo and behold, this jw woman to whom i once referenced in the link below was "placing" literature with them!.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/191371/1/a-visit-from-the-reformed-village-strumpet.

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  I actually saw in one city, the magazines attached to a vending board, out side a train station, much like one might see newspapers etc. There was no one nearby.
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  An explanation for the increase in anointed

  by pirata in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  remember, if you see this in the watchtower, or hear it in a talk, you heard it here first .

  evidently, since we are so close to end of this system of things, god has seen it fitting to fill the final spots held open for the 144,000.. there.

  simple, elegant, and doesn't require an overhaul of the 144,000 jw belief..

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  Have they ever acknowledged that some in the first and subsequent centuries were of the great crowd? Otherwise their numbers wont add up.
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  Star Trek was pivotal to me growing up and here is the best of it, imo

  by sabastious in

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  i saw this episode when i was a little kid and it has stuck with me since and will so until i die.

  i highly recommend taking the 42 minutes out of your life to watch it.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5djw1kzcki.

  -sab.

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  jean-luc picard

  sorry but I hated next generation and kept hoping they would find a way to kill them all off

  apropriate name........ heathen

  finallysomepride Earl Grey is made from bergamot ( mixed with black tea ). The French are quite keen on what they call tisane

  or infusions made plants other than tea, very often considered to have medicinal benefits.
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  Who Or What Influenced You The Most To Leave The Organization?

  by minimus in

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  any person or situation ?.

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  punkofnice, I really relate to that.

  Then one day I was out for a walk. I saw cars driving past, hundreds of people and I thought: 'Is God going to murder all these people and children just because they don't want the watchtower

  Me too.

  And also:

  "I'm going to live forever"

  What 100years?- no, longer

  200 years?- no longer.

  1000 years?- no longer

  1000000 years? no longer

  A trillion times one trillion years?-.............................................oh come on!

  I like logical things. None of all that is logical.
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  Distinguishing Characteristic? (Just thinking out loud)

  by the pharmer in

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  although this is coming from a recent post on another thread by an individual who claims to be a jw, it is something that i have heard expressed by other jws.

  it is a supposed distinguishing jw characteristic:.

  ...and while they have not always gotten it right the first time, one of the things that distinguish them from other christian denominations is the fact that they are willing to abandon beliefs when they come to realize that such beliefs are premised on wrong conclusions.. while other christian denominations seem unwilling to adjust their theological viewpoints, even when they are presented with clear evidence demonstrating flaws in what are essentially the underpinnings of their theological beliefs, because jehovah's witnesses embrace bible truth, we, unlike what other christian denominations do, distinguish ourselves by championing bible truth over what we may have thought at one time to have been bible truth.

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  jean-luc picard

  Our God knows at all times who it is here on earth that is doing their best to do His will, even when He knows we've gotten something wrong.

  There are a whole lot of people "doing their best to do his will" as the author puts it.

  How obnoxious to presume that only jws are "doing their best".